24 June 2008 ~ 3 Comments

Predestination

One of the beautiful things about RMSP is that they pump your brain so full of photography for 11 weeks, that, if you apply yourself, you can’t help but learn and grow. It’s all you think about. And when you’re not thinking about taking pictures, you’re thinking about what gear to buy. And when you’re not thinking about that, you’re thinking about sleep. So while my mind had been rather fertile with philosophical questions prior to arriving here, lately I can’t say it’s been producing a lot of deep thoughts. Maybe it has, but I’ve been too focused to notice. Anyway, even though I was really tired and thinking about going to bed around 9 p.m., I stayed up and went through some pictures and uploaded them to our trial website. A few hours of that woke me up and now, at 1:52 a.m., I can’t sleep. So why not contemplate a centuries old Christian dilemma such as predestination? It had been in my mind before starting RMSP and who knows when I’ll have time to think about it again? As with many of my deep questions, I don’t have a final answer, but I will try to take something away from the exercise of thinking through it.

I grew up in a non-denominational, pentecostal church background where free will and personal responsibility were emphasized. We held to an Arminian theology where we could either accept or resist God’s grace and gift of salvation. Also, we believed that inherent in a resistible grace was the possibility of losing one’s salvation. I always had a difficult time understanding the opposing Calvinist mindset that held that God elected only some to be saved and that his grace was irresistible. I thought this view was unjust, exclusionary, and a bit arrogant. Now however, I cannot help but think about the matter more deeply as I’ve been listening to the podcasts of both Matt Chandler and Mark Driscoll, two staunch Calvinist preachers. They preach sin, salvation, and the Gospel with a fervor and conviction that belies much of what I thought a Calvinist would say, do, or believe. I am thoroughly impressed with their complete dependence on God for the transformations taking place in their congregations. While I still hold to an Arminian view, I also see how much control we evangelicals maintain over our faith as we try to explain God and shape him into our mindset. We place a lot of emphasis on our control over our destiny. God is bigger and more inexplicable than we can imagine and we often ignore that.

So without going into the two doctrines further, for that’s not my preoccupation, here are some thoughts. These are not necessarily beliefs, but provocative questions that cause me to think about how I view God.

If God does only elect a few, so what? Really, so what? What are we going to do about it? Just because we think it’s unfair, does that mean he stops being God? Does that enable us to change the rules of eternal judgment? Of course not. The fact that he sent his Son to save some is more than he ever had to do. He rightfully could have damned us all. Who are we, sinful people, to point fingers at him and tell him how unfair he is when he can do whatever he wants and yet still chose to give us salvation? It’s a miracle anyone is saved given our depravity.

What if God sent tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, and famine on the earth? Does that make him less God? Does that allow us to not believe in him because we think he’s mean?

What if God targeted people for disease? Would that make him less powerful or less worthy of worship?

I believe we are inundated in a culture that has to “feel good” about God and we don’t even realize it. It has affected how we proclaim Jesus and salvation. We force ourselves to explain and defend an infinite, omnipotent being in an effort to appeal to the culture. We accept the premise that we must defend the “fairness” of God when God is who he is, like it or not, period. No discussion. God is God and can do whatever he wants. As Job 13:15 says, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him.” Or as one of my professors put it, “The point of Job is not that Job got his stuff back, but rather that God is God and he can squash you like a bug.” We cannot let people fall prey to the thinking that says “If I don’t like it, think it’s fair, or believe it, it doesn’t exist.” Our beliefs or lack thereof do not change the fact that God created the Universe, upholds everything, and has control of our lives. The only way around this is to deny God and turn to another religion or atheism. There is no “I accept God, but…”

Maybe I should get more wrapped up and into these theological discussions, but I don’t. To me they are peripheral matters upon which we can agree to disagree and still be okay. My main concern is that I believe God is God no matter what he does and no matter what I think of him. We need to return to preaching that the Bible is about God and is not an “answer manual” to life. Rather, God is the star of the show and the Bible teaches us how to conform to him, and thus to reality.

3 Responses to “Predestination”

  1. Matt B. 24 June 2008 at 2:21 pm Permalink

    Wow, no matter what that is a very God-centered, biblical view of God. I have listened to Matt Chandler for years (Mark is a bit arrogant for me), and whether or not the Calvinist view is completely correct or not, I fully appreciate his willingness to speak truth without reservation. Any “Calvinist” who doesn’t preach the absolute necessity of missions, repentance, prayer, etc, doesn’t understand what they say they believe. Thank you for your late-night “rant.”

  2. Pablo 25 June 2008 at 9:38 pm Permalink

    Kyle-blo, we will need some time to discuss this. Even though I agree with you that God is God and what we think about Him, whether it be Calvinistic, Arminian, or Open Theism, it doesn’t change His nature. However, I will vehemently disagree with you on many levels for many reasons. God is love. He’s not 80% love and 20% judgment. He is PERFECTLY revealed in the person of Jesus Christ. Christ on Calvary is the perfect image of God. I’m not saying he doesn’t have the power to do what he wants, because he does. However, everything he does is out of his character, which is love.

    To love means to have trust, which requires freedom. If he’s already decided what will happen in the future, we really don’t have a choice. Look at all the examples in the Bible of God changing his mind – when he was talking w/ Abraham about Sodom and Gomorrah and how many righteous people required to spare the city, Moses pleading with God to not destroy the Israelites, etc… There are also many times of God expressing regret: Israel refusing to enter into a loving relationship with him; Jesus lamenting over Jerusalem. Why would he do these things (and record them in the Bible) if he wasn’t sincere about them?

    I believe a God who knows all the “maybes” of our future decisions and can still bring about his purposes is a much more powerful, creative, trusting, and daring God than one who can’t deviate from a predestined storyline.

    Anyway, I would love to discuss this with you because it has been at the center of much of my thought and study for the last 2 years.

    Love you.

  3. Kyle 26 June 2008 at 12:28 am Permalink

    It would be interesting to discuss it with you. My thoughts right now aren’t really on the issue of predestination, and maybe that was a poor title. I only use that as an example. My main thought was that we got to this earth somehow and the One who put us here is greater than we are. Creation came from somewhere and we certainly didn’t do it. That means we don’t get to call the shots, as I think we too often do individually and in modern church. Makes my head hurt just trying to imagine it all, but good discussion nonetheless.

    I will be out of town this weekend for a rodeo, believe it or not. You might be able to catch me tomorrow night or Friday though. Que duermas bien.


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